New Technique, Style Numbers, to Date Your Gruen Watch

Use Style Numbers in Your Gruen Watch's Case to Date Your Watch

NEW Online Style Number Date Calculator!

Date your Gruen using Style Numbers, described in the article below. 

Enter your Style Number in the box below to find your watch's date and additional Style Number information. You are encouraged to read the article for important information about using Style Numbers.

REMEMBER THESE
(1) 
If your case has 2 numbers, verify that your watch's movement caliber matches one from the list of calibers the tool provides.
(2) In some cases, the Caliber and Style Numbers are reversed.

Windows Application - Style Number To Date Version 4.0

Download Ver 4.0 of the free Windows program that provides date and other information given a Style Number. 

This version extends the Style Number dates back to 1925! The online version (above) also provides dates for Style Numbers as far back as 1925.

Aug 2014 - ANNEX 1 Added to paper 

This update was written to help distinguish Case Serial Numbers from Style Numbers, plus more explanation on anomalies that may be causing you trouble in finding your watch's date.

 Feb 2016 - New Style Number / Date Table

The Style Number Dating Table has been extended back as far as it will go, which seems to be 1925. Last year this table was incorporated into the Online Style Number Tool and the Windows software version 4.0, but the table itself wasn't published.  So, here it is, the latest and greatest table:

This table replaces the "Figure 2" in the article.

Style
Num  Date

0 1925
11 1925
55 1926
61 1927
77 1928
79 1929
86 1930
107 1931
123 1932
139 1933
151 1934
182 1935
220 1936
255 1937
304 1938
372 1939
390 1940
449 1941
495 1942
506 1943
512 1944
541 1945
544 1946
553 1947
583 1948
625 1949
641 1950
742 1951
752 1952
832 1953
863 1954
883 1955
933 1956
1015 1957


Helpful resources

Download the Style Number Dating paper in PDF format and the free Windows program that tells you the date given a Style Number. Details of the software located at the bottom of the page.

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Download the Annex 1 to the Style Number Dating paper in PDF format. This Annex will help you further decode the information stamped in your watch's case, such as case serial numbers, and teach you how to deal with some anomolies that may be tripping you up.

A Brief Explanation of Gruen Dating Tools

Now is a fantastic time to begin collecting Gruen watches. In the past 5 years the number of tools to help us learn about these awesome watches has jumped from a single page Caliber-Date table to at least 3 new, significant dating tools. It's important to understand the difference between the dates that these tools provide. You want to match the date with the correct use of that date. Here are the 3 different dates that can be found on a Gruen watch.
1. Style Number Date - This page you are now reading, and the online dating tools found here, all tell you the Style Number Date. This date is an approximation of when the model of watch first went into production.  It does not tell us when your specific watch was made. Use this date to help find the correct model name of your watch. A tutorial on how to do this can be found here.
2. Case Manufacture Date - This date tells you when your specific watch's case was made. Out of all the dates you can find on a watch, this is the date that determines exactly how old your watch is. It's is also the most bullet-proof of the dating techniques. The tables have been shown to be very accurate, and unlike Style Number Dating, there are no caveats or tricky situations. Read more about Case Manufacture Dates here.
3. Movement Manufacture Date - This tool is limited to the 405/410/420 family of movements. I believe it's the least trustworthy of the tools. The reason it's an "iffy" kind of tool is that movements can be, and often have been, swapped out of the watch and a different movement installed. Even if the movement is the exact same caliber as the original movement, it can have a manufacture date that differ by as much as 10 years. I use this date as a verification date. If it is close to the Case Manufacture Date and  Style Number Date, then I feel quite satisfied with this estimate of the watch's age.

When possible, collect all 3 of these dates and use them together to get the most accurate picture of your watch's age.

APPLYING the Style Number tool to learn more about Gruen's movements in general

In addition to learning about individual watches, the Style Numbers can teach us a lot about Gruen's use of movements in watches.  If you want to learn more about the application of Style Number Dating to help understand when each of Gruen's movements went into production and stopped being used in production, check out the analysis of Gruen's movement use over time in the Reference Section.  It's a visual view of each movement's use of Style Numbers. Here is an example for Caliber 311. It shows how many Style Numbers were associated with Caliber 311 movements and what years those Style Numbers represent.  Should be no surprise that the graph shows the first Caliber 311 Style Numbers started in 1935 and they ended in 1937.
  

How About a Date?

Breakthrough Research Smooths Rough Road for Gruen Wristwatch Collectors

By Mike Barnett and Barry Cooper

 

If you've collected Gruen watches for any length of time, you know how difficult it is determine -- at least with any degree of accuracy -- just when a specific model of Gruen was made.

There is precious little information "out there," unlike many other popular brands such Hamilton, Rolex, Omega, Elgin and others. These and other brands have volumes of material and definitive movement serial number listings that allow for precise dating down to the year, and in some instances even the MONTH, in which a given specimen was manufactured.

Not so for Gruen, being the "orphan child" without a birth certificate because of a rather complicated method of serializing their movements, the records for which have been long lost, and most likely destroyed.

Curiously, the process for dating the earliest Gruen wristwatches -- from about 1915 to 1935 or so -- is probably the easiest because of the limited number of movements that Gruen had available, and the resulting relatively small number of specific models. The wonderful Gruen Guild Book that the company put out between 1929 and about 1931 (and widely available online) is arguably close to a "Masterbook" of Gruen watches, particularly wristwatches made up to that time period.

But from about the mid 1930s to 1958 (when Gruen ceased production of watches at their factory in Cincinnati), the number of movement calibers exploded, and the serializing of those movements took on byzantine characteristics that make Egyptian hieroglyphic look like a Kindergarten reading primer by comparison.

For most collectors, this is frustrating. But, ironically for some, it is a great source of fun and fascination, as the process of dating a given specimen often involves piecing nuggets of information together from far-flung resources. The chance to play the starring role in your own mini version of CSI (a popular crime show on the CBS Television Network in case you've been living in a cave for about the last decade or so) is irresistible to some.

Yes, there are bits of information scattered here and there. Certainly, the movement dating chart developed by Gruen collector Charlie Cleves, of Bellevue, Ky., almost 30 years ago was a good start, and pointed many collectors in the general vicinity as far as dating a given specimen. Beginning in the mid 1990s, with the advent of eBay and other online venues, collectors have been able to piece together additional dating information through the posting of individual vintage advertisements. All of which has resulted in a greater refinement of the original "Cleves Chart." (And that effort continues.)

The past two or three years have yielded more tools for collectors to work with, but the results of all these efforts have proven painstaking and piecemeal at best, as information and clues are scattered among a variety of paper publications and online resources, the latter of which must surely put the number of sources into the dozens if you count discussion websites.

There is still is no single comprehensive source for dating Gruen watches, especially those produced after the mid 1930s.

That is, until now.

By studying literally thousands of Gruen watches, and developing techniques for dating and identifying model names (and recording every detail about each watch) we believe we have reached a significant breakthrough that will help Gruen wristwatch collectors more definitively pinpoint the age of a given specimen.

In ongoing research into Gruen watch dating techniques, Gruen researchers log everything stamped onto the watch, inside of the case, and look for a match in vintage advertising. This is the standard labor involved in collecting the basics. It is from raw data such as this that patterns begun to emerge if you collect enough of it. One of the items to record is the pair of numbers stamped into the back of most Gruen watches, the Caliber and Style Number. While studying this data, a pattern emerged. The Style Numbers consistently increased over time. It’s a simple observation, but an important one.

This article, and our identification tables and charts below, are the result of months of research and testing. We used several methods to date and validate the date of Gruen watches – this article will focus on using the Style Number, a term Gruen coined in the 1947 Gruen Crystal Catalog. It must be stressed that the dates we derived using Style Numbers are approximations, providing the earliest date a watch model was made. It is not meant to date the specific year a watch was manufactured.

As most Gruen collectors know, there is typically a pair of three-digit numbers stamped on the inside back of their watch case, usually in the format or CCC-SSS or SSS/CCC. The majority of Gruen wristwatches have the caliber and then the Style Number (CCC-SSS). Figure 1 is from the 1947 Gruen Crystal Catalog and defines Style Numbers.

Care must be taken that the case serial number is not accidently used to determine the Style Number. Check and recheck that you are seeing two distinct numbers separated by a space a dash or a slash. (examples of cases coming soon....)      You will know when you have 2 numbers versus a serial number that "looks like it may be them".

Some cases do not contain a Caliber & Style Number pair. Older models and some round-shaped models may have only a single three-digit number. Swiss and solid gold cases sometimes do not have the numerical pair as well. These watches are not valid candidates for using the Style Number dating method detailed here. Make sure you do not confuse the case Serial number with the Caliber and Style Number.

Looking closer at the numbers, one of these numbers is the caliber of the movement for that specific watch. By matching the caliber number stamped on the movement with that stamped on the case, collectors can verify that the correct movement is in the watch. If you don’t feel comfortable removing the back of your watch to read the Style Number, take it to a skilled watchmaker. 


Text Box: Figure 1 - Gruen Style and Caliber Number Definition from the 1947 Crystal Catalog

The second three-digit number is the Gruen Style Number; in the example in Figure it is “387". Gruen stated in their Crystal Catalog and 1948 Material Catalog that Style Numbers are paired with specific watch crystals. Generally speaking, the Caliber and Style Number pairs are uniquely assigned to one particular Gruen watch model. However, there are some instances, where the Style numbers were used for multiple models. This happened most often during the early Curvex years when many of the Curvexes had a very similar shape. It makes sense two similar watches would use the same crystal and thus have the same Style Number. These differing wristwatches are problematic and create situations where the Style Number's date is earlier than the watch's correct date of availability. How to identify these situations is explained later.

We limited our work to wristwatches created from 1935 to 1956. The result of the research produced the Style Number Dating Table (Figure 2) which was created by identifying as many watches for each year. The data from the Style Date Table is shown graphically in Figure 3. Perhaps not evident in the table, the graph visually shows which years Gruen made more watch models, or assigned more Style Numbers, than others.

To create the Style Number Dating Table, the goal was to find at least three watches introduced per year. The primary method of identifying a watch's initial date of production or availability was through the use of magazine advertisements. If a watch matched the advertisement illustration, that watch's Style Number was associated with the year of the advertisement. This technique of identifying watch model names and date of initial availability was also utilized to create the "Gruen Watch Model Identification Guide - Volume 1" written by Mike Barnett. (Watch for Volume 2, to be published later this year.)

After several watches were found in a given year, and its surrounding years, a range of Style Numbers could be approximated for that year. These were the data points used to create the table. The Style Number column indicates the lowest Style Number of a watch introduced in the associated year.


First Style Number of Year

Year of Introduction

183

1935

220

1936

255

1937

304

1938

372

1939

390

1940

449

1941

495

1942

506

1943

512

1944

541

1945

544

1946

553

1947

583

1948

625

1949

641

1950

742

1951

752

1952

832

1953

863

1954

883

1955

933

1956

1,015

1957

Figure 2 - The Style Date Table


We cross-checked our dates utilizing all watch dating methods available to us. The cross-checking was limited to a subset of watches for which the additional methods were valid. One such method was provided by Gruen historian Jack Wood, an active Gruen Forum member, contributor, and Gruen researcher. His dating method, currently "in press", is based on the serial numbers of cases manufactured by the Wadsworth Case Company. He found that for wristwatches that used Wadsworth manufactured cases, the date a specific watch was manufactured is tied directly to the serial number of its case. Another verification method utilizes the movement's serial number. This too is a relatively new technique, and is limited to the 405, 410 and 420 caliber families. A full description of dating via movement serial numbers can be found on the website GruenWristwatches.com. Both of these techniques, using Wadsworth case serial numbers and movement serial numbers, pinpoint a watch to its specific date of manufacture, but are also approximations.

For years in which no watches could be identified, we relied on watch crystal catalogs. These catalogs show the highest Style Number in use for the year the catalog was published. Seventeen crystal catalogs were utilized in this project including those from the GS, Rocket, and Perfit companies.

Figure 3- Style Number/Date Chart

There are anomalies to the Style Number dating method! The Gruen Company was not always consistent in its assignment and use of new Style Numbers, particularly in the years around World War II. We identified several anomalies but undoubtedly there are others that savvy Gruen collectors will find and share with the community.

We found some Style Numbers were paired with different movement calibers, but the watch model remained the same. We called this a model "movement migration". Over time Gruen changed the movements in a watch model. They maintained the correct labeling in the case by changing the caliber number while leaving the Style Number the same. The 1951 "Submarine" model shown in figures 4 and 5 is a good example of this migration from one movement to another. Some Submarine models have the identification 421-725 indicating a caliber 421 movement is utilized while others marked with 426-725 indicate a caliber 426 .

Figure 4 - Gruen "Submarine" model


Figure 5 - Submarine watch model "migration" shown in the case back

To help determine when Style Numbers were reused or when a watch model show evidence of “movement migration”, we developed a Style Caliber Table shown in Figure 6 by capturing data from many crystal catalog. The first column lists each Style; the numbers to the right are the movement calibers that are used for that Style. Again, looking at the Submarine model we see that it has a Style Number of 725. In the Style Caliber Table, calibers 421 and 426 are shown to the right of Style 725.

The Style Number re-use anomaly can be at least recognized by using the Style Caliber Table. If a watch's Style Number indicate a date that is prior to the date the movement itself was introduced, then clearly that style number has been used previously. Take for example the Style Number 498. Figure 6 shows six different calibers of movements that used that number. One such movement is the caliber 335 that began production in 1948. The Style Number of 498 indicates the year of introduction for the watch was 1942, but this clearly cannot be the case for watches with caliber 335 movements. When in doubt, check the Style Caliber Table to ensure a Style Number re-use hasn't occurred.

In approximately 1956 the Style Numbers broke the 999 barrier. While we show 1,015 as the end Style Number for the year 1956, the Style Numbers stamped in the cases will not be a 4-digit number. Much like a 3-digit odometer, the number rolls over and started over again as a 3 digit number padded with zeros on the front end. For example, the Style Number we reference as 1,002 will have a case that is stamped with a Style Number of 002. That particular watch is stamped with 422-002, or 002-422

The Style Caliber Table proved to be a distraction while we were doing our research because there is such a wealth of data that can be mined from it. For example, the lifespan of a movement can be approximated by finding the lowest and highest Style Numbers associated with that movement caliber. To do this the caliber to investigate is chosen, its lowest and highest Style Numbers are found in the Style Caliber table and these Style Numbers are then looked up in the Style Date table to determine the dates of the lowest and highest Styles. You'll find that it is the lady's movements that have the longest lifespan as well as having more Style Numbers than the men's watches.

We hope that our contribution will help Gruen collectors learn more about their watches and perhaps motivate them to help piece together other missing parts in the Gruen puzzle. Our work provides the date of initial production which is the first step in solving the many mysteries that await those that are curious enough to seek more information. Be careful though, that curiosity found in some Gruen collectors turn collectors into obsessed researchers.

Credit is given to the early Gruen pioneers Roy Ehrhardt, Charles Cleves, and more recently, Bruce Shawkey. Mr. Cleves’ work was a springboard from which we could research, providing initial manufacturing dates of Gruen movements. A special thank you is owed to Bruce Shawkey for his riveting introduction outlining the history of Gruen research and encouragement. And to Jack Wood, a hard-working Gruen researcher and historian that has consistently given much to the Gruen community. We were able to use his recent work to help validate our findings. And the ever-growing GruenWristwatches.com Forum members for providing motivation and sharing their passion and watches with the Gruen community.

Figure 6 - Style Number and the Calibers That Use It

Style Number

Calibers That Use The Style Number

 

 

 

 

 

 

183

311

 

 

 

 

 

 

184

685

 

 

 

 

 

 

185

165

 

 

 

 

 

 

186

353

 

 

 

 

 

 

190

325

 

 

 

 

 

 

191

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

192

325

 

 

 

 

 

 

193

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

194

700

 

 

 

 

 

 

196

165

 

 

 

 

 

 

197

355

 

 

 

 

 

 

199

700

 

 

 

 

 

 

201

676

 

 

 

 

 

 

202

311

 

 

 

 

 

 

205

455

 

 

 

 

 

 

207

355

 

 

 

 

 

 

210

907

 

 

 

 

 

 

213

455

 

 

 

 

 

 

214

675

 

 

 

 

 

 

215

455

 

 

 

 

 

 

216

455

 

 

 

 

 

 

217

485

 

 

 

 

 

 

218

467

 

 

 

 

 

 

220

165

167

 

 

 

 

 

221

167

 

 

 

 

 

 

222

165

 

 

 

 

 

 

223

165

 

 

 

 

 

 

224

485

 

 

 

 

 

 

225

325

 

 

 

 

 

 

226

325

 

 

 

 

 

 

227

325

355

500

 

 

 

 

228

311

330

 

 

 

 

 

229

915

917

 

 

 

 

 

230

915

 

 

 

 

 

 

231

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

232

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

233

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

234

917

 

 

 

 

 

 

235

917

 

 

 

 

 

 

238

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

239

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

240

355

 

 

 

 

 

 

241

355

 

 

 

 

 

 

242

307

 

 

 

 

 

 

243

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

244

485

 

 

 

 

 

 

246

485

501

 

 

 

 

 

247

123

325

 

 

 

 

 

248

580

 

 

 

 

 

 

250

917

 

 

 

 

 

 

251

531

 

 

 

 

 

 

252

531

 

 

 

 

 

 

253

531

 

 

 

 

 

 

254

501

 

 

 

 

 

 

255

311

 

 

 

 

 

 

257

501

 

 

 

 

 

 

258

501

 

 

 

 

 

 

259

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

260

311

 

 

 

 

 

 

261

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

262

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

263

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

264

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

265

465

 

 

 

 

 

 

266

165

501

 

 

 

 

 

267

487

 

 

 

 

 

 

268

697

698

 

 

 

 

 

269

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

270

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

271

311

330

 

 

 

 

 

272

350

520

 

 

 

 

 

273

311

400C

 

 

 

 

 

274

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

275

115

215

216

270

215SS

270SS

 

276

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

278

206

217

501

 

 

 

 

279

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

280

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

281

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

282

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

283

581

704

704SS

 

 

 

 

284

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

285

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

286

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

287

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

288

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

289

400

 

 

 

 

 

 

290

500

877

500DD

 

 

 

 

291

520

 

 

 

 

 

 

292

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

293

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

294

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

295

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

296

275

500

501

500C

 

 

 

297

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

298

400

 

 

 

 

 

 

299

400

542

 

 

 

 

 

300

416

 

 

 

 

 

 

303

271

 

 

 

 

 

 

304

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

305

400

 

 

 

 

 

 

308

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

309

580

581

 

 

 

 

 

310

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

320

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

321

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

322

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

323

700

704

 

 

 

 

 

324

500

501

500C

 

 

 

 

326

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

334

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

335

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

336

700

 

 

 

 

 

 

337

700

 

 

 

 

 

 

338

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

339

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

340

355

500

355C

 

 

 

 

350

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

351

401

501

501C

 

 

 

 

352

401

 

 

 

 

 

 

353

350

 

 

 

 

 

 

354

520

 

 

 

 

 

 

355

520

 

 

 

 

 

 

356

330

355

355C

 

 

 

 

357

215

270

 

 

 

 

 

358

704

 

 

 

 

 

 

359

168

 

 

 

 

 

 

360

582

 

 

 

 

 

 

361

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

362

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

363

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

364

400

400C

 

 

 

 

 

365

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

366

406

406SS

 

 

 

 

 

367

167

 

 

 

 

 

 

368

280

 

 

 

 

 

 

369

355

355C

 

 

 

 

 

370

355

355C

401C

 

 

 

 

371

917

 

 

 

 

 

 

372

401

410

581

582

704

 

 

373

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

374

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

375

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

376

355

355C

 

 

 

 

 

377

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

378

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

379

400

400C

 

 

 

 

 

380

210

211

210SS

 

 

 

 

381

410

410C

 

 

 

 

 

382

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

383

410

410C

 

 

 

 

 

384

210

211

216

 

 

 

 

385

211

211SS

 

 

 

 

 

386

210

211

430

210SS

 

 

 

387

211

405

406

426

 

 

 

388

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

389

411

411C

 

 

 

 

 

390

411

411C

 

 

 

 

 

391

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

392

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

393

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

394

406

406SS

 

 

 

 

 

395

405

405SS

 

 

 

 

 

396

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

397

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

398

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

399

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

402

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

403

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

404

411

411C

 

 

 

 

 

408

410

410C

 

 

 

 

 

409

168

500

501

 

 

 

 

411

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

413

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

414

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

415

300

531

 

 

 

 

 

416

531

 

 

 

 

 

 

417

330

430

 

 

 

 

 

418

270

 

 

 

 

 

 

419

400

401

 

 

 

 

 

420

401

401C

 

 

 

 

 

421

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

422

210

211

 

 

 

 

 

423

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

424

300

 

 

 

 

 

 

425

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

426

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

427

210

211

 

 

 

 

 

428

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

429

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

430

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

431

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

432

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

433

290

411

 

 

 

 

 

434

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

435

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

436

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

437

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

438

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

439

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

440

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

441

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

442

411

411C

 

 

 

 

 

443

411

411C

 

 

 

 

 

444

212

 

 

 

 

 

 

445

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

446

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

447

405

406

 

 

 

 

 

448

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

449

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

450

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

451

405

405SS

 

 

 

 

 

452

350

 

 

 

 

 

 

453

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

454

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

455

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

456

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

457

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

458

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

459

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

460

406

406SS

 

 

 

 

 

461

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

462

210

211

 

 

 

 

 

463

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

464

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

465

230

405

420

425

 

 

 

466

210

211

215

216

266

211SS

216SS

467

431

 

 

 

 

 

 

468

431

 

 

 

 

 

 

469

435

436

 

 

 

 

 

470

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

471

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

472

431

 

 

 

 

 

 

473

430

435

 

 

 

 

 

474

435

 

 

 

 

 

 

475

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

476

330

 

 

 

 

 

 

477

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

478

291

 

 

 

 

 

 

479

290

291

 

 

 

 

 

480

406

425

 

 

 

 

 

481

411

411C

 

 

 

 

 

482

410

401C

 

 

 

 

 

483

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

484

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

485

291

 

 

 

 

 

 

486

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

487

410

 

 

 

 

 

 

488

411

 

 

 

 

 

 

489

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

490

435

 

 

 

 

 

 

491

350

 

 

 

 

 

 

492

500

500C

 

 

 

 

 

494

410

410SS

 

 

 

 

 

495

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

496

410

410SS

 

 

 

 

 

497

411

411SS

 

 

 

 

 

498

335

422

430

435

440

3351

 

499

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

500

501

 

 

 

 

 

 

501

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

502

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

503

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

504

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

505

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

506

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

507

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

508

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

509

290

291

 

 

 

 

 

510

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

511

405

 

 

 

 

 

 

512

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

513

469

 

 

 

 

 

 

514

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

515

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

516

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

517

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

518

210

211

 

 

 

 

 

519

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

520

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

521

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

522

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

523

405

425

 

 

 

 

 

524

406

 

 

 

 

 

 

525

210

211

210SS

211SS

 

 

 

526

400

400C

 

 

 

 

 

527

420

421

 

 

 

 

 

528

420

421

 

 

 

 

 

529

421

 

 

 

 

 

 

530

335

430

435

3351

 

 

 

531

210

210SS

 

 

 

 

 

532

211

 

 

 

 

 

 

533

210

211

215

210SS

211SS

 

 

534

420

421

420SS

 

 

 

 

535

420

420SS

 

 

 

 

 

537

275

290

 

 

 

 

 

538

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

539

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

540

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

541

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

542

290

335

 

 

 

 

 

543

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

544

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

545

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

546

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

547

210

211

216

210SS

 

 

 

548

350

 

 

 

 

 

 

549

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

550

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

551

270

290

 

 

 

 

 

552

425SS

 

 

 

 

 

 

553

425

426

 

 

 

 

 

554

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

555

420

420SS

 

 

 

 

 

556

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

557

421

 

 

 

 

 

 

558

335

430

3351

 

 

 

 

559

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

561

210

210SS

 

 

 

 

 

562

385

 

 

 

 

 

 

563

421

430

435

 

 

 

 

564

385

425

426

 

 

 

 

565

420

428

 

 

 

 

 

566

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

567

425

426

 

 

 

 

 

568

426

440

 

 

 

 

 

569

210

275

290

 

 

 

 

570

295

 

 

 

 

 

 

571

385

 

 

 

 

 

 

572

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

573

210

211

 

 

 

 

 

574

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

575

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

576

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

577

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

578

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

579

275

430

2751

 

 

 

 

580

295

 

 

 

 

 

 

581

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

582

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

583

420

421

 

 

 

 

 

584

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

585

430

440

 

 

 

 

 

586

385

 

 

 

 

 

 

587

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

588

275

3351

 

 

 

 

 

589

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

590

470

475

 

 

 

 

 

591

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

592

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

593

275

421

 

 

 

 

 

594

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

595

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

596

275

420

421

 

 

 

 

597

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

598

420

421

425

 

 

 

 

599

335

435

 

 

 

 

 

600

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

601

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

602

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

603

335

 

 

 

 

 

 

604

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

605

380

385

 

 

 

 

 

606

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

607

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

608

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

609

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

610

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

611

460

470

 

 

 

 

 

612

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

613

435

 

 

 

 

 

 

614

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

615

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

616

210

215

 

 

 

 

 

617

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

619

215

275

 

 

 

 

 

620

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

621

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

622

210

215

216

 

 

 

 

623

430

435

 

 

 

 

 

624

210

211

 

 

 

 

 

625

370

435

 

 

 

 

 

626

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

627

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

628

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

629

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

630

420

651

3351

 

 

 

 

631

335

 

 

 

 

 

 

632

420

 

 

 

 

 

 

633

421

 

 

 

 

 

 

634

275

425

 

 

 

 

 

635

335

 

 

 

 

 

 

636

425

426

 

 

 

 

 

637

335

3351

3551

 

 

 

 

638

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

639

420

 

 

 

 

 

 

640

475

 

 

 

 

 

 

641

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

642

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

643

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

644

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

645

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

646

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

647

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

648

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

649

430

475

480

 

 

 

 

650

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

651

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

652

425

435

3351

 

 

 

 

653

421

 

 

 

 

 

 

654

421

 

 

 

 

 

 

655

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

656

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

657

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

658

210

215

216

 

 

 

 

659

435

3351

 

 

 

 

 

660

415

416

 

 

 

 

 

661

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

662

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

663

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

664

285

423

432

423A

 

 

 

665

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

666

275

430

 

 

 

 

 

667

275

335

 

 

 

 

 

668

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

669

290

 

 

 

 

 

 

670

210

215

216

 

 

 

 

671

275

275

 

 

 

 

 

672

435

3351

 

 

 

 

 

673

210

210SS

 

 

 

 

 

674

430

435

3351

 

 

 

 

675

215

216

 

 

 

 

 

676

370

415

460

 

 

 

 

677

415

430

 

 

 

 

 

678

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

679

421

 

 

 

 

 

 

680

335

3351

3551

 

 

 

 

681

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

682

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

683

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

685

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

686

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

688

420

422

460

422SS

 

 

 

689

335

 

 

 

 

 

 

690

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

691

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

693

210

 

 

 

 

 

 

694

430

 

 

 

 

 

 

695

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

696

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

698

215

215SS

 

 

 

 

 

699

475

 

 

 

 

 

 

700

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

701

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

702

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

703

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

704

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

705

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

706

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

707

370

440

 

 

 

 

 

708

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

709

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

710

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

711

435

3351

 

 

 

 

 

712

435

 

 

 

 

 

 

713

425

 

 

 

 

 

 

714

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

715

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

716

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

717

460

 

 

 

 

 

 

718

415

470

3351

 

 

 

 

719

415

430

 

 

 

 

 

720

415

416

 

 

 

 

 

721

216

 

 

 

 

 

 

723

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

724

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

725

421

426

 

 

 

 

 

726

475

 

 

 

 

 

 

727

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

728

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

729

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

730

215

216

 

 

 

 

 

731

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

732

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

733

460

 

 

 

 

 

 

734

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

735

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

736

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

737

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

738

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

739

415

480

 

 

 

 

 

740

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

741

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

742

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

743

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

744

475

480

 

 

 

 

 

745

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

746

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

747

370

430

435

 

 

 

 

748

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

749

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

750

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

751

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

752

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

753

370

440

 

 

 

 

 

754

215

216

 

 

 

 

 

755

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

756

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

757

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

759

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

760

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

761

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

762

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

764

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

766

422

 

 

 

 

 

 

767

462

 

 

 

 

 

 

768

460

462

 

 

 

 

 

769

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

770

4803

 

 

 

 

 

 

771

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

772

416

422

 

 

 

 

 

773

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

774

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

776

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

777

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

778

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

779

360

 

 

 

 

 

 

780

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

781

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

782

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

783

270

275

3351

 

 

 

 

784

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

785

275

285

 

 

 

 

 

786

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

788

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

789

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

790

435

 

 

 

 

 

 

791

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

792

215

415

 

 

 

 

 

793

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

794

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

795

416

 

 

 

 

 

 

797

440

 

 

 

 

 

 

798

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

799

422

 

 

 

 

 

 

800

460

 

 

 

 

 

 

801

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

802

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

804

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

807

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

808

422

 

 

 

 

 

 

809

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

810

415

416

 

 

 

 

 

811

216

 

 

 

 

 

 

812

215

216

 

 

 

 

 

813

430

435

480

 

 

 

 

814

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

815

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

816

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

820

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

821

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

822

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

824

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

826

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

827

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

828

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

829

415

416

 

 

 

 

 

830

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

832

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

833

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

835

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

836

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

837

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

838

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

839

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

840

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

841

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

842

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

843

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

844

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

847

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

850

2751

 

 

 

 

 

 

852

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

853

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

854

3351

 

 

 

 

 

 

857

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

858

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

860

270

2751

 

 

 

 

 

862

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

863

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

864

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

865

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

870

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

873

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

875

235

2351

 

 

 

 

 

876

435

 

 

 

 

 

 

877

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

878

216

415

 

 

 

 

 

879

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

880

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

881

462

462SS

 

 

 

 

 

882

370

 

 

 

 

 

 

885

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

886

480

480SS

 

 

 

 

 

887

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

888

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

889

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

890

462

480

 

 

 

 

 

891

430

435

 

 

 

 

 

892

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

893

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

894

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

895

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

897

415

 

 

 

 

 

 

899

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

900

335

3351

3353

 

 

 

 

901

335

435

3351

3351SS

 

 

 

903

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

904

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

905

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

907

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

908

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

909

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

910

335

3351

 

 

 

 

 

911

235

2351

 

 

 

 

 

912

362

 

 

 

 

 

 

914

490SS

 

 

 

 

 

 

917

422

462

 

 

 

 

 

918

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

919

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

920

2751

 

 

 

 

 

 

924

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

925

215

285

 

 

 

 

 

926

275

2753

 

 

 

 

 

930

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

931

215

462

 

 

 

 

 

939

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

940

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

941

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

942

480

 

 

 

 

 

 

943

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

944

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

945

215

275

 

 

 

 

 

950

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

951

285

 

 

 

 

 

 

952

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

953

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

961

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

970

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

976

217

 

 

 

 

 

 

977

215

216

 

 

 

 

 

978

215

220

 

 

 

 

 

979

215

275

 

 

 

 

 

980

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

981

462

 

 

 

 

 

 

984

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

986

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

988

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

991

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

997

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

998

422

 

 

 

 

 

 

999

435

439

 

 

 

 

 

1002

422

 

 

 

 

 

 

1003

422

423

 

 

 

 

 

1010

275

2751

 

 

 

 

 

1013

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

1015

211

215

415

 

 

 

 

1017

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1019

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

1020

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1025

673

 

 

 

 

 

 

1027

787

 

 

 

 

 

 

1032

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1035

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1042

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1049

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1050

275

2753

 

 

 

 

 

1056

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1061

422

 

 

 

 

 

 

1062

422

 

 

 

 

 

 

1064

2753

 

 

 

 

 

 

1070

275

 

 

 

 

 

 

1076

215

3353

 

 

 

 

 

1079

2753

 

 

 

 

 

 

1085

673

 

 

 

 

 

 

1099

215

225

 

 

 

 

 

1116

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1156

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1158

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1176

215

 

 

 

 

 

 

1199

278

 

 

 

 

 

 

1231

278

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Next Step - find the name of your watch

If this Style Number dating method has worked correctly for you and believe you have the right date for your watch, and you now want to find the MODEL NAME, you can find information on this site on how to do that too! Head over to the page ID Your Gruen! and you can read details on the steps you can take to figure out the model name.



IF you use this method to date your eBay item, or a watch to sell on your website, please give us, the Barnett/Cooper research team a little recognition for providing tools that give you the ability to date your watches accurately.  It's been shown that providing more information on watches such as the model name and date of the watch raises the selling price.  No guarantees, but it helps generally speaking. 

It would be much appreciated and it's not a bad trade for the education and hard earned information you receive.

Not sure what to say?  Here's a suggestion:

Thank you to the Gruen research team of Barnett/Cooper for their research and publication of the Style Number Dating technique used to to date Gruen watches using information found in the back of the case known as the Style Number. You can learn more about it at www.GuenWristwatches.com

OK, maybe it's long winded and self-serving, but it's only a suggestion :-)

Check out ways you can use this and other tools effectively.

You can download the version above document in PDF format along with the Annex 1 that is only in PDF format

Revolutionary New Gruen Dating Technique.pdf Revolutionary New Gruen Dating Technique.pdf
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This article has been published in both of the largest watchmaking and watch collecting journals, the AWCI and the NAWCC.  BOTH of these organizations deserve as much support as they can get.  Please consider joining.

This article appeared in the March 2013 issue of the NAWCC Bulletin and in the May 2012 issue of the AWCI's Horological Times .  You can download it in PDF format below.

They chose to make this article available, for free, to the public (non-members).  Normally you must be a member to view the electronic versions of the magazine.  This link takes you to the current issue's contents and this month's free article:
http://nawcc.org/index.php/watch-a-clock-bulletin/current-watch-a-clock-bulletin

AWCI Published Style Number Dating Technique article

This article includes the full Style to Caliber table (Figure 6 above)

NAWCC Published article explaining the Style Number Dating technique 

This article contains only part of the Style to Caliber table (figure 6 above)

Free Windows software to help you quickly look up your style number 

NEW VERSION 4.0 for 2015

To make finding the year given a style number quick and easy, this program will help.  It is very simple to use and there is no installation.

Simply download the ZIP, extract the single file which is an EXE. Run the EXE anytime you wish to look up a Style Number. 

The file is the program, not an installer. Just run it.

Downloading software from anywhere is a little scary, but I can assure you that it's a trivial little virus free program.  As with any programs downloaded, run it through your virus checker if you have concerns.

About the new Version 4.0

Version 4.0 builds onto version 2.1 described below.  What version 4.0 does is extend the Style Number dating back to 1925. All of the data for models back to 1925 are loaded into the software just as in 2.1.  The online tool does not yet go that far. It stops at 1929.

Version 2.1 description

This version adds a feature that is critical to successful and safe use of the table.  In addition to providing the year the Style Number represents, the software now displays all of the known CALIBERS that have used this Style Number.  It is the "Style Number re-use" problem detection.  If you have not been looking up this information in the large table at the end of the article, then this software will be of great help as you will now be given the data that you have been missing by not looking it up.

** Why it's important to know what calibers have used a Style Number **

If multiple calibers have used a Style Number, the date that the Style Number represents is the OLDEST possible date for that watch.  After the initial caliber's use of the number, future uses of this number will be later in time, perhaps much later, like 10 years later.  So, do your homework by looking at this information. 

 If you see more than 1 caliber using your Style Number, then you need to look forther into the watch to get an affirmation of the date. In other words, don't take the year provided by the Style Number as THE ANSWER because it very well may not be.  It is THE OLDEST ANSWER and correct for a subset of the calibers listed.

Also, some watches have the Caliber and Style Numbers swapped in the back of the case. Having all of the information about a Style Number gives you the ability to make sure the Style Number you entered has the correctly matching Caliber that is in your case.  If not, swa the two numbers and try again.

Example output of new Version 2.1

If you enter 483 as the Stle Number, the output of the program will look like this:

Year for Style Number 483 and calibers using this Style Number

1941

483         211

This indicates that the watch you have is from 1941, according to the Style Number, and that Style 483 was used by Caliber 211 movements

Should you ener 480 as the Stle Number, the output of the program will look like this:

Year for Style Number 480 and calibers using this Style Number

1941

480        406     425

This indicates that that both the caliber 406 and 425 movements used this Style number and that one of those calibers is maybe NOT from 1941.

Should you enter 885 as the Stle Number, the output of the program will look like this:

Year for Style Number 885 and calibers using this Style Number

1955

885     335     3351

This indicates that that both the caliber 335 and 3351 movements used this Style number.  This situation is most likely NOT a style number reuse.  The 3351 is a way of indicating tha the movement is a caliber 335 with 21 jewels.  Some crystal manufacturers wrote the same 21 jewel movement as a 335 and others a 3351.

Finally, read the bit about "Movement Migration" in the article as it also explains why several movements were sometimes used for the same style number.